Let's look at the pro and con of the matter!

Pro:
~The kids are more likely to fall behind on work
~may get restricted fom certain activities(at least at my school)
~ have more time at home for parents to lecture(or yell)at them

Con:
~Those kids most likely don't want to come to school anyway!
~They have more time to play video games or something!

[quote="ostrichlady"]Pro:
~The kids are more likely to fall behind on work
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That is not a benefit in this case; our objective is to help students become more productive and succeed, not fail.

I am listing the pro's from the administrator's mind! That is a pro for the administrator's mind because it is bad for them so hey would regret the mistake!

No, the administration is looking out for the student's success.

I think suspension is counterproductive.Instead, we should use detention or extra school work, or saturday school. The schools job is to educate, not not allow an education!

i think that they should use suspencion for a punishment b cuz ppl are missing on their school work and then the teachers expect them to make it up right away

that's what my point was in my Pro's and Con's listings!

But then they only get more behind in their schoolwork! Besides, the kind of student who gets a suspension is probably not going to work hard to make up missed work! They need to be watched in school if we are really punishing in the best interest of the student.

Suspension has always been a conflict between students and administrators andi feel that one should be put on an inschool suspension instead of a removal from school. Because if the parent is not home then the student is free to roam the streets and could cause a problem if still angry at the other student like zachomis said " Our objective is to help students become more productive and succeed"

I my view suspension is an effective tool of disipline. Students have to make up the missed school work, are removed from the general student population, and it is likey to invoke punishment by parent(s). But while it is an effective tool you have to take in the students who won't make up the work, don't want to come to school, and those whose parents do not care. Now we have ALP (in school suspension) which acomplishes the same goal (make up work, removal from peers) and there is Friday Night and Saturday School which could be looked at as separate and/or lesser alternatives. What kid wnat to be sitting in a room on Friday Night, or wake up early on Saturday to come to school. These alternative could be implimented before suspension.

i dont think they should be used before suspension, but instead of suspension. They are more effective in punishment. If a student skips school or acts in a disruptive manner, they obviously don't want to be in school or are acting as if they werent in a school environment. Giving them the schools aproval for not coming to school is not a punishment to a student who doesn't want to be there, the punsihment is makign them be in school when they want to be somewhere else. Also, the kind of student facing suspension does not necessarily have a parent who would punish their kid for acting out at school. If a student gets in trouble at school, it is the school's job to punish the child, not the parent's.

But by the student getting disiplined at school the parnet would be likly to give consequnces.

[quote="DrewT"]But by the student getting disiplined at school the parnet would be likly to give consequnces.[/quote]

Yeah, "go to your room" or "clean the house." This is not a viable fix for truency.

Is that how you are disiplined? The kids that I know were very belligerent disruptive and disrespectful at school, but they do have respect for their parents disipline that is one of the reason they act out at school (to a certain degree) you may be a perfect child but most kids arent

Im sorry, but a lot of kids do not respect their parents, and honestly, that is irrelevant. In fact, you may have learned in 9th grade government that while in school the school acts as a parent, with the same rights and job as a parent. IF you act out at home, your parents punish you. If you act out at school, youre school (in the interest of your parents) punishes you.

When ever a child is suspended it is county policy that the child administrator and the parents have confrence before the child is readmitted. So the the parent HAS to be involved in the disiplnary process at school. Other punishments such as detentions and saturday/friday night school. require parent signature and usually involve a phone call home. even being sent down to administartion with no punishment the administaror would call home.

[quote="DrewT"]Is that how you are disiplined?[/quote]

No, I am beaten every night by my parents regardless of my behavior.

[quote]The kids that I know were very belligerent disruptive and disrespectful at school, but they do have respect for their parents disipline that is one of the reason they act out at school (to a certain degree)[/quote]

How does this apply to my argument? How is this relevent?

[quote]you may be a perfect child.[/quote]

Yes, in fact it would be smart of you to start learning from my example now :p

[quote]but most kids arent[/quote]

Once again, I don't see how this applys. Please explain.

Your argument is that that the parent won't give proper punishment after the children displined at school [quote]Yeah, "go to your room" or "clean the house." This is not a viable fix for truency.[/quote] at least that is what I percive because my comment was.[quote]But by the student getting disiplined at school the parnet would be likly to give consequnces[/quote] these kids that are acting out are the ones that have harsher punishment at home. the parent does give adequate disipline. most kids i pointing out the fact that opposed to your belief that all kids parents tell them to clean their room for punishment. the kids' who aren't perfect
(unlike yourself) parents actually punish them. If you need further explaination please let me know. I wiil also be glad to take you to several homes and conduct a supervised survey at your request.

Please do conduct that survey for that you would not find anything productive come from the suspension of a vast majority of these students.

It your call. :wink:

Most of the parents with kids "acting out" are those that probably acted out themselves. They are not the people who we should be trusting to deal with the situation properly.

"If you keep a dog on a very short leash,w hen he gets loose he going to go wild."

keeping kids out of school is unreasonable. ISS is the best for students they stay away from the distractions yet would still be doing their school work

As mentioned earlier ALP and Friday Night school are effective alterinatives.

so you agree that punishments should not take students out of school?

[quote="DrewT"]I my view suspension is an effective tool of disipline. Students have to make up the missed school work, are removed from the general student population, and it is likey to invoke punishment by parent(s). But while it is an effective tool you have to take in the students who won't make up the work, don't want to come to school, and those whose parents do not care. Now we have ALP (in school suspension) which acomplishes the same goal (make up work, removal from peers) and there is Friday Night and Saturday School which could be looked at as separate and/or lesser alternatives. What kid wnat to be sitting in a room on Friday Night, or wake up early on Saturday to come to school. These alternative could be implimented before suspension.[/quote] Yep

[quote="DrewT"][quote="DrewT"]What kid wnat to be sitting in a room on Friday Night, or wake up early on Saturday to come to school. These alternative could be implimented before suspension.[/quote] Yep[/quote]

yes they should. but if kids dont want them, why make the last punishment(suspension) the one that kids do want. the punishment should be outside of school time. keeping kids out of the classroom will only lead to more problems in their lives. If students must be punished, have it be on their own time and not on schools.

Why can't the teachers of the student just give the student being punished tons of work. He is still learning that way.

Even though students I your mind "want" suspension it still has its own conseqences. Most college applications ask have you ever been removed for disiplinary action. Parents of students don't like it either and they will most likley apply disipline as well. Beacause of the severity and the removal from school and loss of instruction leave it as a last resort.

If the student is just put in a special room away from other students and is given tons of work that has to do with his core classes, isn't that better?

That is inschool/inhouse suspension. (ALP, ATS or whatever you want to call it.)

But maybe that is a good alternative to suspension. Maybe the boy/girl could just get tons more days than if he/she just got in-school-suspension.

Usually and inschool suspension is for one day though it can vary in length from a class period to a few days and longer than you get a regular suspension.

Actually I think In school suspensions are best, because yes, USUALLY the inschool suspensions are a day but I had a friend that had a n in school suspenion for a month! They are protected and carefully watched, while they keep up on their school work, but still goes on their record. Kinda like it will still punish them but while still keeping up on their school work! there should be more than those compared to regular suspensions!

In school can work as a non punishment but it doesn;t go by with me neither does the reason ppl get suspended!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need to get the scum out of the school.

[color=blue]NO, I THINK ITS KINDA POINTLESS TO SUSPEND A KID FROM SCHOOL BECAUSE IF THEY;RE MESSING AROUND IN SCHOOL THEY ODVIOUSLY DONT CARE AND SENDING THEM OUT IS JUST KEEPING THEM OUT OF SOMETHING THEY DONT WANT TO B IN[/color]

Saturday school is like a day of detention and make up work so after oss they should get Sat school

in school suspension sounds better than out of school

give them a text book and a lot of questions

Sounds better than out of school, when they're more able to just lazy about as if on a break (because [i]most[/i] of the time, they don't care about having to make up work)