I still can't believe that happened, but if you think about it, the likelyhood of that person being caught with a gun before it happens, is slim to none!

its complicated but u know what we need better police forces. they arent trained to be at football games but cracking down drug deals.
we need a special force.
The way its going everyones a suspect :!: :!: :!: :!:

hows that supposed to work?

thats the point!!!!!!!!!
how
u can figure that out
thats the problem with it
:idea: :!: :idea: :!: :idea: :!:

I think you aren't thinking it through! The only way that it is a 100% chance of catching someone with a gun is to put metal detectors at every entrance at every field! That would cost a [u]lot[/u] of money for the school board! It would be cheaper to get rid of night games! And have it directly after school!

that cost even more money!!!!!!!
No one can get to the game
What about middle schoolers???????????
At Broadneck SRMS & MRMS go to the football games but wecant get home to even 400!!!!!!!!!!!

Fine, the games will be at 4:00 so family's can come! But I can't see how it will cost that much more money to have them as an after school activity! If anything it would be better because the high schoolers alot of the time can't get rides to come see the game!

sooner or later someones going to suggest getting rid of the games.
this is what needs to happen
nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well do you want someone else getting shot?

do u have a better solution
i use stats alot though we have seen a spark its like katrina it happens like 2 in a lifetime. (although some ppl predict that it will continue its a 50/50 chance

katrinas happened about 50 times in my life! ANd there are always the chance that we can't take! granted, the shooting was an accident but it can always happen!

I think having security at the game is important, but to go as far as putting metal detectors at the gate is a little extreme and a little expnesive.

You guys seem to think that someone is going to get shot at every football game.

It [i]is[/i] a once-in-a-decade incident. Changing the game times back 3 hours is, at its best, a way to get less people to come to football games.
[quote]Fine, the games will be at 4:00 so family's can come![/quote]
Do you know anyone who gets off of work before 4:00? It's called 9-to-5, not 9-3!
[quote]It would be cheaper to get rid of night games! And have it directly after school![/quote]
So the idea is, that we cease playing any games for any sport after dark? At the time, high schools are the earliest to get out, so if the games were right after school, only high schoolers from the host school would be able to get there on time. Not to mention the fact that the teams couldn't warm up and that spectators would have no time to get to the game. Plus, it's not as though parents could get off of work at 2:00 to go see a football game.
[quote]Katrinas happened about 50 times in my life! ANd there are always the chance that we can't take! granted, the shooting was an accident but it can always happen![/quote]
Looking beyond the author's apparent love of exclamation points, the facts here are definitely wrong. There have most certainly [i]not[/i] been massive natural disasters like Katrina 50 times in even the past century. Shootings are not that common, even in everyday life. In Annapolis and suburbs (Baltimore Metro Area minus Baltimore), there are 118.6 gun assaults per 100,000 people of population (data from 2001, numbers reported to police). That equals about 602 in the entire area (approx. 508,000 population, 2004 estimate). That means that there is a less than .118% chance you'll be involved in a gun assault.

Just put this in perspective.

By the way, insufficient data was available for Anne Arundel County; no distinction made btw. gun and other assaults. Annapolis data used.
LINKS:
[url=http://www.fedstats.gov/qf/states/24/2401600.html]Federal Statistics for Annapolis, MD[/url]
[url=http://socds.huduser.org/quicklink/screen3.odb?citystring=2401600#FBI]HUD/FBI Crime Statistics; Select Year 1 as 2001 to view.[/url]

THe incident was not even an assult the gun misfired. The suspect brought the gun to show off wiht no intent to injure someone.

But they shouldn't have brought it in the first place! Bringing a gun isn't cool! and him trying to be cool almost got someone killed!

[quote]THe incident was not even an assult the gun misfired. The suspect brought the gun to show off wiht no intent to injure someone.[/quote]
That's true. I was specifically addressing the notion of those who have posted that people would maliciously use a gun in an attack during a sports game.

In AA county the it is not likley that anyone would use a gunto asslut someone in school. In fact that is true nation wide.

I think we should have better security at our sporting events despite statistics. I've read (from above responses) that gun shootings rarely happen and (like "Katrina") such events are likely to happen about twice in a lifetime. :arrow: It isn't the amount of times that problems like this happen, its the problems happening at all that matters. We are talking about the safety and simple right to have a family member feel safe to watch a relative play a crime free game. Meaning if having higher security would reduce or eliminate injury/death or take guns away from teenage sporting events, than im pro-security. (even metal detecters)

:eusanaughty: i vote no guns at sporting events :eusanaughty:

I think that police are definetly nessary at football games. At our school (Southern) you have to walk 1/2 a mile to get from the parking lot to the field and there are no adults between the two points. Also, our stadium has a lot of open space and not enough seatings which causes people to stand around in groups. This makes it so fights can happen easier.

Sydney

I would agree with an increase in security personel but metal dectectors would be a little to drastic. The time to enter the stadium would be dramticaly increased, and there is a cost factor.

Througout this entire conversation not once did anyone talk about WHY violence is occuring at these games. Competition in these high school games are becoming rediculous, and the faculty within these schools are not helping. I have a soccer coach as a teacher in my health class and he spouts out things like "2nd place is first-place loser" very frequenty. It disturbs me so to see such things.

The competion at game is no the cause of violence. If you look at this particular act at Annapolis you will see that it wasn't even a violent act. Will the level of competiontion is increasing, it doesn;t have any correlation to violence at the games. This incident is very serious but it is being used as fuel for fear. Violence is not a epidemic problem at football games.

The gun shot should have not happened. I say that there needs to be more security and better checks. I think they may as well do exactly what the NFL does with checks. It may offend people, but it's the best way to protect people from getting hurt.

Metal detectors are a little more drastic! I think that there should be more cops and/or volunteers with a license around the stadium! And if they see something suspicious they would have the right to check the person, if the person refuses he/she should be removed from the game, no refunds! And to avoid a law suet they should make sure that the community knows!

[quote="DrewT"]The competion at game is no the cause of violence. If you look at this particular act at Annapolis you will see that it wasn't even a violent act. Will the level of competiontion is increasing, it doesn;t have any correlation to violence at the games. This incident is very serious but it is being used as fuel for fear. Violence is not a epidemic problem at football games.[/quote]

Can you own up to the fact that coaches, especially in our school (SPHS) are subversivly inspiring internal as well as external hate?

Are the coaches telling a player to shoot someone?

[quote="DrewT"]Are the coaches telling a player to shoot someone?[/quote]

That is not the point I am trying to make. The point I am trying to make is that the environment of high school sports is no longer suppourtive or productive.

Well I have not expirienced this. At hte schools I've been to the coaches want to win but sportsmanship is also at the top of the list.

How are the games not productive!? I think that they are good for the players, because it teaches them teamwork and a whole bunch of other things that you need for life(including their social skills!)

You can learn social skills in many other practical manners. However, in my school I have encountered several insances of "2nd place winner is first place loser" mantality.

athletics also promote better time management, as the athletes must balance school work with their sport. Additionally, sports allow for greater school spirit for an overall more positive learning environment. And at Old Mill, we really don't have that "2nd place winner is first place loser" mentality. At least, I have not noticed it.

I agree with ROO! Time management is a great plus from football! But I said the social skills coment because I have a lot of friends who were sort of like outsiders before they came into football! So they learn how to manage friends and responsibilities! That's what I was tryng to say in that comment!

I think that we should increase security. I'm not saying metal detectors, but we should have police that are able to distinguish between drunk and sober. I [i]know[/i] that drunks come to the games because I have seen them and smelled their awful stench as they sit next to me and my friends. There are normally many of them in large groups. Why can't we have...maybe two policemen at each entrence of the stadium looking out for people who aren't sober? If the students aren't drunk, maybe there will be less likelihood of a shooting?

Security has been incresed. THere are 4 resource officers at each game and when you leave you can't come back.

I think that it's good that theres better security and everything, but the truth is that it's hard to tell if someone has a gun or not.
They could easily bring one unless you had metal ditectors but that's obviously extreme!!
Two teams can get so competitive that they get violent. One time afetr a football game that my dad's team won when he was in highschool(he wasnt there) some kids on the losing team took chains and stuff and started hitting my dad's team afetr the game. My dad was luckly not there but things can get violent.
I think that the likley hood of someone bringing a gun to a football game is not anymore likley than getting in a car crash, but it's easier to control so i think ppl should try hard to prevent it.

yea there really should be police at high school football games. because many students cant attend to "root" their team on because many parents wont allow their child to go because of fights and violence. with police it would be MUCH safer and there would be higher attendance!! :P

[quote="ostrichlady"]How are the games not productive!? I think that they are good for the players, because it teaches them teamwork and a whole bunch of other things that you need for life(including their social skills!)[/quote]

At our school, you identify the seniroity of a lacrosse player by the frequency of which they use the word "gay" in a given paragraph...

Of course, I am not saying that the sports are unproductive for the players, rather, it is becoming unproductive for the spectators. I don't know if you're aware of this, but there has been a series of terrible vandalism that a friend of mine was victim of. In fact, there was a teacher up in North East who had her car totaled in relation to a local athetic event. Fortunatly, the community pulled together about $13K for her to get a new one.

If you want to play your games, fine. But if they are going to distrupt social order, then they need to be temporarily closed to the public.

On the issue of police officers, there is no excuse for the county to deny us a proper squad of cops. I know they love to sit in their cars and give tickets to kids like me who go 8 mph over the speed limit... but they are fully capable of applying themselves a more to this situation.

[quote]Security has been incresed. THere are 4 resource officers at each game and when you leave you can't come back.[/quote]

Thats really good. I mean, really good. The only problem with that is the surrounding neighborhood would probably need a few more after the game to ensure the kids aren't doing anything.

[color=cyan]Ok I understand were you guys r coming from but like peopole might be nervouse to co if there is a polise squad garding every cornner. Some football games r a fund raiser and then you end up spending extra $ for the [color=olive]"forces"[/color] and making other team spirters :eusaclap: not coming because they feel if somthing gose wrong then they might get blamed for it. Also some schools dont have a problem w/ vilonce so the whole [color=olive]"forces[/color]" thing dosent seem fair.[/color][/quote]

First of all, we are talking about the county police, not mercenaries. Second of all, you need to apply punctuation to your posts.

wouldn't you feel safer with the county police there?

and if it was a fund raiser, wouldn't it be best to spent the little bit (I don't really know if it's a little bit) for the security?

i agree with sam, ryuutsuki95392 i would feel safer

I guess I would also feel safer , but I think a lot of ppl that I know wouldn't want to go because of that. I don't know why, but they wouldn't.